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Friday, March 25, 2005

Commemorating genocide or advancing national agendas?

Addressing Armenian hypocrisy is not an easy thing, especially when the person doing it has Armenian ancestry somewhere along the line. You will get attacked, called a genocide denier, a sell-out to Turks. And this from both sides of the spectrum, the left and the right (not that there ever existed an Armenian left).

I have criticised a group of "alternative Armenians" (who claim they're not like the rest of the Armenians -- but I beg to differ) for subscribing to a flag-waving mania. Those people believe that there is nothing wrong in having an ocean of Armenian flags during a genocide commemoration ceremony or a vigil. On numerous demonstrations in favour of the recognition of the Armenian genocide, Armenian flags were the dominant theme.

For example, this one in Belgium:

Belgium demo

Belgium demo

Belgium demo

This one in the Netherlands:

Holland demo

The 90th anniversary of the Armenian genocide is in sight. I am afraid we will have to ready ourselves for yet another ocean of Armenian flags. Now is the time to ask ourselves: what does the Armenian flag have anything to do with the Armenian genocide? Isn't it a shame that we honour the dead by waving flags? Is that all we can do? Isn't it a shame that we turn a human tragedy into a national agenda?

Armenian children Armenian children

I will tell you what, don't wave that flag in my name or in the name of those who died at the hands of mass-murderers. The victims and survivors were real people with families, individual stories, losses, and your flag-waving is, at best, insulting to me and many others whose great-grandparents perished in the genocide.

Comments:
"Isn't it a shame that we turn a human tragedy into a national agenda?"

I think you have point. But at the same time, there are loads of countries that don't acknowledge the Armenian genocide. Not that flag-waving is going to change that, but I think that might explain some of the nationalism.
 
But at the same time, there are loads of countries that don't acknowledge the Armenian genocide.
"Israel" being one of them. Isn't that ironic...

I don't see how denial of genocide would cause people to be overly nationalistic. It makes no sense. At least not for me.

Those people who died did not represent the Armenian government, nor the country. They were in historical Armenia yes, but they were also part of the Ottoman Empire..

Some people tell me that waving the flag would enable passers-by to tell who's protesting and for what. What a lame "justification" that is. First of all one does not need to be Armenian to protest against the denial of the Armenian genocide. Nationalising a tragedy might serve nationalistic agendas, but it is offensive to those who have lost loved ones, and it also alienates outsiders who are supportive of the cause of recognition of the Armenian genocide. The recognition of the genocide is not a purely Armenian one (or at least it should not be). It is a human/e and international one. But leave it to some flag-waving nutcases to take the whole thing wayyy out of context.

The same applies, by the way, to "Israelis" who wave "Israeli" flags in concentration camps (I have tons of pics of those).
 
""Israel" being one of them. Isn't that ironic..."

What country actually does besides Armenia? The problem is, it hasn't been made a big enough issue to attract international attention. If the US and other powerful nations were to recognize it other countries would follow.

"The same applies, by the way, to "Israelis" who wave "Israeli" flags in concentration camps (I have tons of pics of those)."

You know, you likened me to hitler (I didn't know hitler was based his hatred of things Jewish on molecular biology; science) earlier because I talked about how closely related Jews and Palestinians are. And I know, you were trying to get my goat, but TBH, your words are laced with underlying anti-Semitism. Your obessesion with Israeli is truly Nazi-esque. You have no business talking about Jews or Palestinians, you are neither. This is our issue, not your's. That begs the question: Why do you insist on butting into our conflict without an ounce of objectivity and taking the Palestinian side. The logical answer is probably the most obvious one -because you're anti-Semitic.

What you righteous gentiles don't understand is that we don't need anymore division.

/rant
 
What country actually does besides Armenia?
Argentina
Australia
Belgium
Canada
France
Greece
Italy
Lebanon
Netherlands
Russia
Slovakia
Sweden
Uruguay
Vatican City
Wales
Numerous U.S States (not officially by the U.S though, thanks to the "Jewish" lobby)

Also, no Arab country has ever denied the Armenian genocide outright, even though they haven't passed any resolutions to recognise it.

You have no business talking about Jews or Palestinians, you are neither.
And you, no business to talk about Germans, as you are not one. Or the Palestinians for that matter, as you are not one either. At least by your own rules. Why does one need to be a Palestinian or a Jew to talk about the conflict? So people shouldn't talk about Nazis unless they are Nazis themselves? WTF are you on? I will talk about whatever/whoever I want. And you can bang your head against the wall however much you want, it won't stop me from going about my business as I would any regular day. But if you bang your head enough, you might miraculously acquire some logic.

My reasons for being interested in the Palestinian conflict and taking sides is none of your business. Anyway, I never claimed to be objective. I'm not an arbitrator here. This is a weblog for personal opinions. But while my views are biased, my facts are not (unlike yours). My interest in the conflict? I have lived all my life in that neighbouring country of yours that you so covet and were kicked out of. I hope that satisfies your curiosity.
 
"Why does one need to be a Palestinian or a Jew to talk about the conflict?"

You can discuss it, you can follow what's going on, but at the end of the day it's not your issue. What bothers me is how vehemet you are in your support of the Palestinians. It goes beyond discussing the conflict, it's more like an unhealthy obsession.

"My interest in the conflict? I have lived all my life in that neighbouring country of yours that you so covet and were kicked out of. I hope that satisfies your curiosity."

Huh?
 
at the end of the day it's not your issue.
It's a humanitarian issue, moron. And who are you to tell me what is and what is not my issue?

Huh?
Didn't you say "Israel" is your country/ "homeland"?
 
Listen you zionist pig, Marsden has more of a right to talk about Palestine than you, you european colonialist. Tell your people to pack up their bags and go back to where they came from, EUROPE, Russia, Poland, and other eastern european countries. You are not from our region, our region being me and Marsden. You are a foriegn european colonizer who continues to build filthy settlements and murder Palestinian people.

You want to know why Marsden is so passionate about Palestine, its not because he hates Jews but because what is happening to the Palestinian is an injustice that should not be tolerated, Israel is an apartheid state, you should listen to what Marsden says, what he says is benefiting the Jews as well because the longer you subjugate my people and show no mercy, when the Arabs get strong and they will soon, there will be no mercy shown on your people and that is your fault for all the years of colonialism, settlements, murder, occupation, humiliation you have put upon my people.
 
Listen you zionist pig, Marsden has more of a right to talk about Palestine than you, you european colonialist. Tell your people to pack up their bags and go back to where they came from, EUROPE, Russia, Poland, and other eastern european countries. You are not from our region, our region being me and Marsden. You are a foriegn european colonizer who continues to build filthy settlements and murder Palestinian people.

You want to know why Marsden is so passionate about Palestine, its not because he hates Jews but because what is happening to the Palestinian is an injustice that should not be tolerated, Israel is an apartheid state, you should listen to what Marsden says, what he says is benefiting the Jews as well because the longer you subjugate my people and show no mercy, when the Arabs get strong and they will soon, there will be no mercy shown on your people and that is your fault for all the years of colonialism, settlements, murder, occupation, humiliation you have put upon my people.
 
PLO terrorist said:

"you european colonialist."

I'm a Syrian Jew, my family is from Damascus.
 
"Israel is an apartheid state"

Israel is not an apartheid state. Israeli-Arabs enjoy every right Israeli-Jews have. I defy you to name one policy aimed at oppressing the Palestinians. You won't be able to, for two reasons, a) you know nothing about Israeli law & b) no such policy exists.
 
Israel is not an apartheid state.
And the holocaust never happened. Your point is?

I know enough about "Israeli" law to be against "Israel" and do everything to destroy it, thank you very much. I don't think I need to know more.

Anyway, it is YOU who seems to be obsessed with "Israel", not I. Quit talking about "Israel" in this entry. It's supposed to be about the Armenian Genocide. Have you no respect?
 
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