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Sunday, March 27, 2005

Not apartheid?

Surprising News
IDF bans Arab Israelis from entering W. Bank on Road 557

For the past few Saturdays, Israel Defense Forces soldiers have been preventing Arab citizens of Israel from entering the West Bank using Road 557, which stretches east from Taibeh and passes through the Avnei Hefetz and Einav settlements.

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Eye-witnesses said Jewish citizens were allowed through the checkpoint on Saturday.

Ha'aretz, March 28, 2005

Article II of the International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid says that "the term "the crime of apartheid", which shall include similar policies and practices of racial segregation and discrimination as practised in southern Africa, shall apply to the following inhuman acts committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group of persons over any other racial group of persons and systematically oppressing them":
(c) Any legislative measures and other measures calculated to prevent a racial group or groups from participation in the political, social, economic and cultural life of the country and the deliberate creation of conditions preventing the full development of such a group or groups, in particular by denying to members of a racial group or groups basic human rights and freedoms, including the right to work, the right to form recognized trade unions, the right to education, the right to leave and to return to their country, the right to a nationality, the right to freedom of movement and residence, the right to freedom of opinion and expression, and the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association

Source
Not apartheid? Nice try.

Zionists must hate Amira Hass so much by now.

Comments:
By comparing a security checkpoint to Apartheid, you cheapen what black South Africans went through.

"Eye-witnesses said Jewish citizens were allowed through the checkpoint on Saturday."

A FEW Jews were allowed through on Sat. Otherwise, Jews aren't allowed to use that road either.

"the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group of persons over any other racial group of persons and systematically oppressing them"

Palestinians and Jews are not separate races, they're separate ethnicities. Technically, both are Caucasoid (and related, to boot), and both would've been considered "white" in Apartheid era SA (like Lebanese South Africans were). It's like comparing Germans to Austrians, most distinctions are arbitrary. Anti-Zionists like yourself often make this comparison by inventing a white/non-white dichotomy to advance your agenda. That argument doesn't work with me.
 
By comparing a security checkpoint to Apartheid, you cheapen what black South Africans went through.
A security checkpoint that a certain group of people were allowed to cross, but others not, based on their ethnicity/religious beliefs, etc. In other words, for not being the "right kind of person".

A FEW Jews were allowed through on Sat. Otherwise, Jews aren't allowed to use that road either.
What is the road for, then? What a load of BS. Why were "A FEW" Jews allowed to cross but not a few "Israeli-Arabs"?

Palestinians and Jews are not separate races, they're separate ethnicities.
Most Jews are nowhere close to being in any way related to the ancient Hebrews or the Palestinians of today. Second, apartheid can be against any particular group. The term apartheid is related to South Africa. But that doesn't mean it cannot be applied to other countries that have discriminatory laws for one group of its citizens and other laws for another.

Another example of "Israeli" apartheid. Tell me if a Jew would go through all that and/or have to take the case to the court because he wants to buy land, which he is entitled to do as a citizen of that state.

What is the matter, can you not advance/thrive without putting others down? Sounds like it.
 
"Most Jews are nowhere close to being in any way related to the ancient Hebrews or the Palestinians of today."

That is a ruse. Modern y-chromosome and mtdna analysis reveals that most Jews ARE descended from the ancient Hebrews, and show close genetic affinities to Palestinians. They are indeed related. Check out the work of Cavalli-Sforza for more info.
 
That is a ruse.
No, YOU are.

Check out the work of Cavalli-Sforza for more info.
I wonder, should I demand LINKS, according to your standards?

AshkheNAZI Jews are from Khazar tribes. For more, check out Mobini, Yunis, Alper, and Delgado. Ooops, no links!

Anyway, what is your point when you cite genetics and anthropology here? I don't much care for it, as it does not excuse your land theft and dispossesssion of others, no matter how genetically close to you those "others" may be...
 
That is a ruse.
No, YOU are.

Check out the work of Cavalli-Sforza for more info.
I wonder, should I demand LINKS, according to your standards?

AshkheNAZI Jews are from Khazar tribes. For more, check out Mobini, Yunis, Alper, and Delgado. Ooops, no links!

Anyway, what is your point when you cite genetics and anthropology here? I don't much care for it, as it does not excuse your land theft and dispossesssion of others, no matter how genetically close to you those "others" may be...
 
"No, YOU are."

Do you know what a 'ruse' is? How could a person be a ruse? You're so lost.

"AshkheNAZI Jews are from Khazar tribes. For more, check out Mobini, Yunis, Alper, and Delgado."

The Kazar theory is outdated and no longer accepted by the scientific community. It's nothing but a ruse used by white nationalists. Most Ashkenazim are Hg J - which is a Middle Eastern haplotype.

Logically, there is no way a group Khazar elites could have largely altered the Ashkenazic gene pool. They may have had a small impact on certain (Levites) Ashkenazim (the Kahar theory was never proven so one can only speculate), but nothing big.

Cavalli-Sforza, an Italian geneticist, is probably the most cited and accepted in his field.

"I don't much care for it"

You did before I came along and rained on your parade.

Ashkenazim are literally 50/50 Middle Eastern/European hybrids:

Accroding to Wexler..."the Ashkenazic Jews most likely descend from a minority ethnic Palestinian Jewish emigre population that intermarried with a much larger heterogeneous population of converts to Judaism from Asia Minor, the Balkans and the Germano-Sorb lands (the Sorbs are a West Slavic population that still numbers about 70,000 in the former German Democratic Republic). Widespread conversions to Judaism that began in Asia Minor in the Christian era and ended with the institutionalization of Christianity among the Western Slavs in the beginning of the second millennium saved the tiny ethnic Palestinian Jewish population in the diaspora from total extinction. The major non-Jewish contributors to the ethnogenesis of the Ashkenazic Jews were Slavs, though there was probably also a minor Turkic strain -- both in the Caspian-Black Sea area (the descendants of the Khazars, a mainly Turkic group that converted to Judaism in the eighth century) and in the Balkans and Hungary. In all of these areas, the Turkic population early became submerged with the coterritorial Slavs."

Haplotype VIII of the Y chromosome is the ancestral haplotype in Jews.

Lucotte G, David F, Berriche S.

International Institute of Anthropology, Paris, France.

DNA samples from Ashkenazic and Sephardic Jews were studied with the Y-chromosome-specific DNA probes p49f and p49a to screen for restriction fragment length polymorphisms and haplotypes. Two haplotypes (VII and VIII) are the most widespread, representing about 50% of the total number of haplotypes in Jews. The major haplotype in Oriental Jews is haplotype VIII (85.1%); haplotype VIII is also the major haplotype in the Djerban Jews (77.5%) (Djerban Jews represent probably one of the oldest Jewish communities). Together these results confirm that haplotype VIII is the ancestral haplotype in Jews.

PMID: 8935325 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
 
Do you know what a 'ruse' is?
Go back and read what I said about a non-native English speaker teaching a native speaker his own language.

The Kazar theory is outdated and no longer accepted by the scientific community. It's nothing but a ruse used by white nationalists. Most Ashkenazim are Hg J - which is a Middle Eastern haplotype.
White nationalists? Huh? The Khazar theory is very reliable and not outdated. There have been many reliable studies done, and if you care to read non-"Israeli" cites I can provide you with a decent bibliography next week (other responsibilities call me).

You did before I came along and rained on your parade.
You give yourself too much credit, mate. How about you flush that "Israeli" pride of yours and come back and talk without copy & pasting to give yourself the airs of a knowledgeable person?

AshkheNAZI Jews are converts to Judaism. That they might have some markers in them that are common with Jews is not significant, as such minor similarities are present between almost all groups.
 
what the fucking hell is this 'ashkhenazi' and 'sephardic' geneological interpretation all about. a jew is a jew to me, whether he is of middle eastern origin or black like those ethiopian jews.and their racial and ethnic identity defines them nothing more than mere bunch of thieves and lunatics who use non existent and empty rhetorics like the WW2 holocaust to steal other people's land and wealth.the world will be a happier place to live in with the absence of the jews. these are cursed people wo have been mentioned in ancient christian and islamic texts as 'the cursed race'am glad am not one of them
 
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